Craigslist 比 eBay 更值钱

Naval Ravikant 2006-02-07

Rich Skrenta 在一篇必读文章中剖析了为什么 Craigslist 如此有效。现在是时候考虑它到底有多有效了。

如果市场精灵让你选择 eBay 或 Craigslist 的所有未来收益,你会选择哪个?我会选择 Craigslist。

请注意,我在这里讨论的是商业模式的优势。我完全知道 eBay 拥有 Craigslist 25% 的股份,所以如果说 Craigslist 这家公司比 eBay 这家公司更值钱,我就是在说资本化的 Craigslist 商业模式收益等于资本化的 eBay 商业模式收益的两倍,而这并不是我要说的。为了评估上述数字,请查看商业模式产生的收益,或者假设 eBay 拥有 Craigslist 0% 的股份。

通过列表估算估值

Craigslist 目前每月承载600万条广告。其中至少有 200,000 条是职位发布。它们覆盖近 200 个城市(查看他们的主页)。他们可能只在其中十个或更少的城市拥有临界质量(根据一些随意浏览)。

目前,Craigslist 仅对职位发布收费,而且只在三个城市收费。从 Craigslist 本身,我们可以看到费率:

旧金山湾区:75美元

纽约:75美元

洛杉矶:75美元

所有其他地区:免费

现在他们正在为纽约的公寓以及华盛顿特区、圣地亚哥、波士顿和西雅图的职位增加收费。基本上,一旦某个城市的某个类别达到不可撼动的临界质量,就要小心了!

所以,仅职位一项现在每月就价值约 500 万美元(25美元 * 20万)。Craigslist 并没有将所有职位货币化,但方向和意图都很明确。

当然,Craigslist 最终将能够对职位、公寓、房地产、汽车、个人广告少量收费、度假租赁、服务、大型本地物品以及在某些国家的小型 eBay 物品收费。请注意,在线上,这 7-8 个其他类别中的每一个都与职位处于同一数量级,或者更大。eBay 物品部分可能需要一些澄清——在互联网发展先于可靠邮政系统发展的国家,更多的产品商务将通过 Craigslist 式的本地系统进行,而不是通过 eBay 式的全国系统。

如果 Craigslist 只将这些类别中的一半货币化,那就是每月 2000 万美元。全部货币化就是每月 4000 万美元。

但 Craigslist 仍在增长。增长很多。

以下是 Craigslist 本身一直在发布的一些统计数据(这些数据大约有三个月了):

增长

过去12个月整体页面浏览量增长率(所有城市合计):195%

  • 北卡罗来纳州罗利:每月1300万页面 +800% 过去12个月
  • 不列颠哥伦比亚省温哥华:每月2100万页面 +675% 过去12个月
  • 德克萨斯州达拉斯:每月2200万页面 +650% 过去12个月
  • 明尼阿波利斯:每月2100万页面 +625% 过去12个月

他们能在一年内规模翻倍吗?很容易。更可能的是,Craigslist 的规模将增长三倍或四倍,然后增长才开始显著放缓。我们之前 2000-4000万美元/月的范围现在变成了 4000万 – 1.6亿美元/月(随着我们做出更多猜测,我们的准确性当然会下降)。中点使我们达到每月1亿美元的收入,或每年约12亿美元!

换一种方式试试:每月600万条列表。乘以10,因为他们在100个城市达到临界质量,而今天大约只有10个城市。乘以2,因为像纽约、洛杉矶、旧金山这样的现有城市将继续增长。仅对10%的列表收费,每条列表收费10美元(与报纸相比这简直是偷窃,而且低于 Craigslist 目前的费率。这也是每条列表平均1美元的收费)。那就是每年14亿美元的收入。他们的成本接近于零(没有内容,没有营销,基于社区的客户服务,十几名工程师)。税后,每年仍有10亿美元的利润。给他们 eBay 的市盈率,它就价值500多亿美元。

我没有因为以下事实调整市盈率:他们的增长速度比 eBay 快得多(尽管这不可避免地会放缓),或者他们的国际机会比 eBay 更大(又是那个烦人的邮政系统问题)。

流量检查:

这是另一种有趣的看待方式。Alexa 和其他排名网站将 Craigslist 错误地归类为社区网站。它在 Alexa 上的流量排名是33(从我去年11月写这篇文章初稿时的第40位上升了!!),但如果你将其视为商业网站(毕竟是分类广告),它将是第四大商业网站,仅次于亚马逊、eBay 和雅虎。

Craigslist 的增长实际上加速了。有多少大型成功的公司正在这样做?

2005年对 Craigslist 来说是伟大的一年。

当然,对于其他分类广告网站来说,这是一场大屠杀:

Monstermoving.com:-60%

Apartments.com:-40%

Cars.com:-30%

Realtor.com:-25%

那么,Craig 会拿这笔钱吗?嗯,公司25%的股份已经属于 eBay(他们从 Craig 的一位联合创始人那里购买的)。在剩余部分中,毫无疑问有一些在员工手中。Craig 可能拥有50%到60%之间。他可能想将其中的一部分捐给慈善机构。或者给家人。不可避免地,他将拥有不到50%。到那时,你可以打赌公司将拥抱资本主义和流动性的优点。

Craigslist 不再是一个 dot-org 组织。它正在成为一个超级垄断企业,针对世界上最具货币化潜力的类别(高价值物品和分类广告),年复一年地增长三倍或更多。而客户服务代表 Craig Newmark 比 Larry Page 或 Sergei Brin 更值钱。

真正的情况是,Craig 正顺利地在没有风险投资、没有大牌管理、没有营销、没有专利、没有真正技术等的情况下,建立一个 eBay/雅虎规模的企业。他从报纸那里拿走了所有价值,却没有承担任何成本。每个人都因此而爱他(可能是因为他把钱留在了桌上)。这就是互联网的力量。

Craigslist is Worth More than EBay

Rich Skrenta dissects why Craigslist is so effective, in a must-read piece. Now it’s time to consider exactly how effective it is.

If the Genie of the Market were to offer you all of the future earnings from EBay or Craigslist, which would you take? I’d take Craigslist.

Note that I’m talking about the strengths of the business models here. I’m fully aware that EBay owns 25% of Craigslist, so to say that Craigslist the company is worth more than EBay the company, I’d be saying that the capitalized Craigslist business model earnings are equal to twice the capitalized EBay business model earnings, and that is not what I’m saying. For evaluating the above numbers, look at the earnings generated by the business models, or assume that EBay owns 0% of Craigslist.

Estimating Valuation by listings

Craigslist currently carries 6M ads per month. At least 200,000 of these listings are job postings. They are in close to 200 cities (looking at their home page). They probably only have critical mass in about ten of those cities or less (from some casual browsing).

Currently, Craigslist charges only for Job postings, and only in three cities. Taken from Craigslist itself, we can see the rates:

San Francisco Bay Area: $75

New York: $75

Los Angeles: $75

All other areas: free

And now they are adding fees for apartments in NY, and jobs in Washington DC, San Diego, Boston, and Seattle. Basically, as soon as a category in a city hits unassailable critical mass, look out!

So, jobs alone is today worth about 5Millionpermonth(5 Million per month (25 * 200K). Craigslist isn’t monetizing it all, but the direction and the intent are both clear.

Of course, Craigslist will eventually be able to charge for jobs, apartments, real estate, cars, a little bit for personals, vacation rentals, services, big local items, and in some countries, small EBay items. Notice that online, each of those 7-8 other categories is on the same order of magnitude as jobs, or bigger. The EBay items part may need some clarification – in countries where the development of the Internet precedes the development of a reliable postal system, more product commerce will happen over a Craigslist-style local system than over an EBay-style national system.

If Craigslist only monetizes half of these, that’s 20Mpermonth.Allofthemandits20M per month. All of them and it's 40M per month.

But Craigslist is still growing. A LOT.

Here are some stats that Craigslist itself has been handing out (these are about three months old):

Growth

Overall Page View Growth Rate (all cities combined) for last 12 months: 195%

  • Raleigh, NC: 13M pages/month +800% last 12 mos
  • Vancouver, BC: 21M pages/month +675% last 12 mos
  • Dallas, TX: 22M pages/month +650% last 12 mos
  • Minneapolis: 21M pages/month +625% last 12 mos

Can they double in size within a year? Easily. More likely, Craigslist will triple or quadruple in size before growth starts slowing significantly. Our previous range of 2020-40M / month now goes to 4040 – 160M / month (as we make more guesses, our accuracy goes down, of course). The midpoint has us at 100Minrevenuepermonth,orabout100M in revenue per month, or about 1.2B per year!

Try it another way: Take 6M listings a month. Multiply by 10 as they hit critical mass in 100 cities, as opposed to approximately 10 cities today. Multiply by 2 since existing cities like NY, LA, SF will continue to grow. Charge for a mere 10% of the listings, and charge 10perlisting(thatsastealcomparedtothenewspapers,andlowerthanCraigslistscurrentrates.Itsalsoanaveragechargeof10 per listing (that's a steal compared to the newspapers, and lower than Craigslist's current rates. It's also an average charge of 1 per listing). That’s 1.4Billioninrevenueperyear.Theircostisnearzero(nocontent,nomarketing,communitybasedcustomerservice,adozenengineers).Aftertaxes,thatsstill1.4 Billion in revenue per year. Their cost is near-zero (no content, no marketing, community-based customer service, a dozen engineers). After taxes, that's still 1B in profit per year. Give them EBay’s P/E and it’s worth $50+ Billion.

I’m not adjusting the P/E for the fact that they are growing much, much faster than EBay (although that will inevitably slow down), or that their international opportunity is larger than EBay’s (that pesky postal system thing again).

Traffic Check:

Here’s another fun way to look at it. Alexa and other ranking sites mis-classify Craigslist as a community site. It has a traffic rank of 33 on Alexa (up from #40 when I wrote my first draft of this article last November!!), but if you were to consider it as a commerce site (it’s classifieds, after all), it would be the 4th largest one, right behind Amazon, Ebay, and Yahoo.

Craigslist’s growth has actually picked UP. How many big, successful companies are doing that?

2005 has been a great year for Craigslist.

Of course, for the other classifieds sites, it’s a massacre:

Monstermoving.com: -60%

Apartments.com: -40%

Cars.com: -30%

Realtor.com: -25%

So, will Craig take the money? Well, 25% of the company already belongs to EBay (they bought it from a co-founder of Craig’s). Of the remainder, undoubtedly some is in the hands of employees. Craig is probably somewhere between 50% and 60%. He may want to give some of it to charity. Or family. Inevitably, he will own less than 50%. At that point, you can bet that the company will embrace capitalism and the virtues of liquidity.

Craigslist is a dot-org no more. It’s a supercharged monopoly in the making for the single most monetizable category in the world (high-ticket items and classifieds), tripling or better year-over-year. And Craig Newmark, Customer Service Representative, is worth more than Larry Page or Sergei Brin.

The real story is that Craig is well on his way to building an EBay / Yahoo! sized business with no venture capital, no big-shot management, no marketing, no patents, no real technology, etc. He’s taken all the value from newspapers with none of the cost. And everyone loves him for it (probably because he’s leaving the money on the table). That’s the power of the Internet.